Feds suspect ransom negotiator ran ShinyHunters extortion site

(krebsonsecurity.com)

91 points | by Bender 3 hours ago

6 comments

  • kevin_thibedeau 2 hours ago
    > In late September, ShinyHunters hacked the FBI recruitment website fbijobs.gov

    The OPM breach was 11 years ago and apparently the incompetence still reigns.

    • jacquesm 1 hour ago
      The quality of offensive tooling has somewhat improved during that period.
      • nradov 47 minutes ago
        So why have government employees and contractors been so lazy and incompetent as to not improve defenses by a similar margin?
        • mikeyouse 26 minutes ago
          The vast majority of the competent people got DOGE’d. CISA lost like 40% of their staff including much of their red team specialty. 18F was completely eliminated (“Deleted” as Musk put it). If some specialist in the FBI who could have helped prevent the hack happened to have been assigned to work on the Classified Docs case, they were also fired because the most corrupt, incompetent group of morons is running things in DC for the next few years.
          • esalman 17 minutes ago
            One of the most spectacular pieces of self-own for the current administration. Restructuring/deleting the directorate for biodefense during the previous administration (of the same color) would be up there.
            • jacquesm 16 minutes ago
              I can see quite a few not-so-good reasons why they wanted to weaken the cybersecurity capability of the federal government.
        • cowsandmilk 41 minutes ago
          +1, in this case, the hackers exploited a CVE in PeopleSoft that had a published patch. The contractors just didn't apply the patch. https://www.reuters.com/technology/accenture-contractor-remo...
        • jacquesm 36 minutes ago
          If they're incompetent and lazy as you say then probably because they couldn't...
  • aleksandrm 46 minutes ago
    True or not, anyone trust the Feds right now? With the current administration, no one should trust the Feds right now, not a single bit.
    • dritty8 10 minutes ago
      Yeah we just need to vote in the other half of the uniparty, right guys? Let's vote even harder next time! I'm gonna voooooote hnnngh
      • rustystump 2 minutes ago
        As much as this is a bit of a shit post I dont think it is wrong. Both sides behind the scenes are in pretty strong lockstep.

        Thered need to be changes in how lobbying and certain countries are registered to make a dent. Everyone says age but I dont think that matters as much as the lobbying industry. Young people are every bit as corruptible as the old.

    • potsandpans 8 minutes ago
      Nobody should trust the feds ever. It's mostly through privilege and circumstance that they help anything ever.
    • lifeisloving 16 minutes ago
      Yeah it feels like this guy is probably innocent and refused to be an informant of some kind. He probably was approached to help entrap them, stayed out of it and now the FBI is ruining his life for it.

      I wouldnt really trust them under any admin, but yeah this current regime is definately will to play fast and loose with people's lives to make themselves seem competent.

  • mmooss 1 hour ago
    Even before the current administration, federal law enforcement's leaks of suspects, especially in high-profile crimes, have been highly unreliable and have ruined lives. See Wen Ho Lee, Richard Jewell, etc.
  • vntok 2 hours ago
    Breaking Bad vibes here. "You don't want a ransom negociator, you want a ransom negociator!"
    • taneq 1 hour ago
      Better than some random negotiator.
      • Waterluvian 47 minutes ago
        You can have $1,000,000 in unmarked bills as requested. Or you can have whatever is in the mystery box!
  • ofjcihen 2 hours ago
    Working in the IR space I’ve had a lot of opportunities to work with negotiators before. Most of them are extremely professional and worth their weight in gold for what they provide to their clients.

    Ridiculous that scumbags like this are tarnishing that space.

    • gregsadetsky 1 hour ago
      Can you shed a light on what this process looks like? Are negotiations are alike or completely unique? What does it boil down to..?

      Thanks!

      • gregglain 1 hour ago
        The book "Never split the difference" is a great read on hostage negotiations.
        • gregsadetsky 1 hour ago
          I do (half) remember reading that book! I actually meant to ask (in my question above) whether that book is actually "accurate"/representative of malware negotiations.
      • ofjcihen 1 hour ago
        No honestly, most of the time it’s very formulaic. You can usually tell how it’s going to go once you know who has your data.

        For instance, what’s mentioned in the article about not dealing with COM actors is great advice because chances are they’re going to keep your data and sell it or use it for future extortions no matter whether you pay.

        Other actors though have a reputation to uphold to get paid and they know it.

        An example of the process is something like:

        1. Notification by ransom operators Including proof. Negotiations start at some arbitrary number like 6 percent of reported earnings.

        2. Negotiators notified.

        3. Back and forth begins. “This isn’t really that much data, do you have more? It’s not that damning. Fine, my client is willing to pay 50k. 60k? Okay, but you need to provide proof of how you got I the data so we can close the gap”.

    • lifeisloving 14 minutes ago
      Very cringe of you to automatically believe what the FBI tells you, especially when they're embarassed and trying to save face.
    • ahelwer 1 hour ago
      Nothing is yet proven and other articles have painted this arrest as shocking.
    • cobbzilla 1 hour ago
    • nradov 44 minutes ago
      Ransom negotiators are all scumbags. Their actions perpetuate further criminality and place others at greater risk. Paying a ransom should always be a criminal offense, even if not paying means that people die and businesses are destroyed.
      • lifeisloving 12 minutes ago
        Huh? You'd rather criminals make a little less money than hospitals getting taken offline and people dying? Or power utilities. Very cringe to care more about how much pieces of paper a criminal has than your community member's lives. I definately do not want you as my neighbor.
        • solyin 3 minutes ago
          Reading their comment strongly, as the guidelines suggest, it seems they want criminals to make $0 so they stop doing that. Is it not equally "cringe" to say society can't put up with some discomfort so assholes don't get free vacations and nice toys. It's a disguised trolley problem, and there's no agreed upon answer for that one either.

          https://neal.fun/absurd-trolley-problems/

  • cuttysnark 1 hour ago
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    • Grosvenor 1 hour ago
      That wikipedia page says David Hogg's father is Kevin Hogg.
    • ChrisClark 49 minutes ago
      Nope, not his father