What's Missing in the 'Agentic' Story

(mnot.net)

30 points | by ingve 1 hour ago

3 comments

  • cramsession 27 minutes ago
    > You bought a laptop or desktop with an operating system, and it did what it said on the tin: it ran programs and stored files.

    I feel like people may be viewing the past with rose colored glasses. Computing in the 90s meant hitting ctrl-s every 5 seconds because you never knew when the application you were using was going to crash. Most things didn't "just work", but required extensive tweaking to configure your ram, sound card... to work at all.

    • algoth1 2 minutes ago
      Manually editing config files thanks to an obscure thread so that your printer can actually be recognized by the OS
    • amelius 22 minutes ago
      This is not just the past. I still have headaches configuring my video card to work with the right CUDA drivers, etc.

      The tower of abstractions we're building has reached a height that actually makes everything more fragile, even if the individual pieces are more robust.

      • kirubakaran 20 minutes ago
        We just need one more layer of abstraction to fix that, and everything will be fine
    • 6keZbCECT2uB 18 minutes ago
      I remember when the computer crashed and the user hadn't saved recently, we blamed the user.
    • borski 8 minutes ago
      Wait, I literally still hit Ctrl-S constantly, usually a few times in a row.

      Have people outgrown this unnecessary habit? Haha

    • echelon 17 minutes ago
      > Computing in the 90s meant hitting ctrl-s every 5 seconds because you never knew when the application you were using was going to crash.

      THIS.

      I lost so much work in the 90s and 00s. I was a kid, so I had patience and it didn't cost me any money. I can't imagine people losing actual work presentations or projects.

      Every piece of software was like this. It was either the app crashing or Windows crashing. I lost Flash projects, websites, PHP code.

      Sometimes software would write a blank buffer to file too, so you needed copies.

      Version control was one of my favorite discoveries. I clung to SVN for the few years after I found it.

      My final major loss was when Open Office on Ubuntu deleted my 30 page undergrad biochem thesis I'd spent a month on. I've never used it since.

    • hnav 22 minutes ago
      Quality issues are a different vertical within the space of software/user misalignment. The sort of issue the author talks about is more like the malware of the 90-00s era: the software deliberately does something to screw the user.
  • ryandrake 5 minutes ago
    The thing I don’t like about “agents” is that I consider my computer a tool that I use and control. I don’t want it doing things for me: I want to do things through it. I want to be in the driver’s seat. “Notifications” and “Assistants” and now “Agents” break this philosophy. Now there are these things doing “stuff” on my computer for me and I’m just a passenger along for the ride. A computer should be that “bicycle for the mind” as Jobs put it, not some autonomous information-chauffeur, spooning output into my mouth.
  • cyanydeez 19 minutes ago
    i think whats missing is the raison detre of the Agents isnt a new usecase, its a context prune for the same limitations LLMs provide. LLM as Agent is a subset, where the goal of the agent is set by the parent and is suppose to return a pruned context.

    if you dont recognize the technical limitations that produced agents youre wearing rose tinted glasses. LLMs arent approaching singularity. theyre topping out in power and agents are an attempt to exentend useful context.

    The sigmoid approacheth and anyone of merit should be figuring out how the harness spits out agents, intelligently prunes context then returns the best operational bits, alongside building the garden of tools.

    Its like agents are the muscles, the bones are the harness and the brain is the root parent.