I overengineered a spinning top [video]

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143 points | by bane 6 days ago

17 comments

  • barbegal 16 hours ago
    For a real spinning top over engineered https://youtu.be/QLTsxXNekVE?si=S31kpZQHiYlUSedx
    • observationist 15 hours ago
      It's fascinating that you can get to the level of atomic material properties as a spinning top hacker. Diamond seems like it'd be the obvious winner, if you could somehow get a perfectly polished and smooth surface.

      I'd love to see a small Prince Rupert's drop for a tip and a ruby/sapphire spinning surface - you'd need to make a ton of drops, probably, but having a round, nearly spherical contact geometry and super smooth surface seems like a winning combo.

      • jacquesm 6 hours ago
        Until it wears just a smidgen and explodes violently!
    • chankstein38 16 hours ago
      Thank you! This is what I really wanted!
    • anfractuosity 11 hours ago
      Thanks! I came across http://www.pocketwatchrepair.com/how-to/jewels.php recently, hadn't realised the jewels weren't for aesthetics.
  • adrian_b 22 minutes ago
    An interesting fact is that spinning tops are extremely ancient toys.

    For instance, a spinning top is already mentioned in the Iliad of Homer, where he compares the rotation of a certain warrior after receiving a very strong off-center strike with the rotation of a spinning top ("strombo-" in Ancient Greek).

  • mariocesar 16 hours ago
    There is a Japanese show that made a Scientist vs Engineers version to build the best Spinning Top: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q-hcidtjiM

    Awesome!

    • johndough 13 hours ago
      The entire "Supreme Skills!" series is amazing. Highly recommend!
    • a2dam 15 hours ago
      This rules
  • chankstein38 16 hours ago
    I saw this and, while interesting and impressive, this isn't really a spinning top. It's a gyroscope. I was hoping for a real like "I cast metal into the perfect shape that I physically derived somehow to last as long as possible" or something similar not just "I put a motor in a case and it spins"
  • dylan604 13 hours ago
    Freaked me out for a second and had to double check that my tablet comes with a stop watch without having to download an app WITH ADS!!!!! Does he earn money for displaying these ads in his video too? I find it hard to believe that a content creator with sponsors is forced to use an ad supported app. Something about it being a stopwatch really just adds the cherry on top
    • VladVladikoff 11 hours ago
      I wonder if he wanted it to be bigger? The stopwatch on iOS doesn’t quite fill the screen as the one he used does.
      • dylan604 9 hours ago
        Then use $1.99 from the sponsors to remove the ads????
        • fishgoesblub 8 hours ago
          Not everyone wants to spend 2$ on a stopwatch app they can use for free and will only use it once.
          • dylan604 8 hours ago
            That's part of being a content creator. Producing content has expenses. When you cheap out on it, it looks obvious and people will comment. Hi
        • bombcar 8 hours ago
          Later in the video you see a clearer picture of apparently the same tablet and timer app, and no ad.
          • dylan604 8 hours ago
            I saw what I thought was no ad, but you could still see the little widget in the upper right hand corner that still revealed where the ad would appear like when you manually click close ad on a website.
    • iberator 8 hours ago
      That's why smart people use Android.
      • dylan604 8 hours ago
        Ugh, let me get my eyes returned from rolling so far to the back of my head. As if Android doesn't have adware apps.
  • isaacn 15 hours ago
    Reminds me of this little top, which actually works quite well: https://limbo.top/
    • inanutshellus 14 hours ago
      man i get advertised to for these things NONSTOP. IMO it's cheating to call it a "top" but stick a motor in it to make it work.
  • jcims 15 hours ago
    Saw this last week, really enjoyed the tenacity in problem-solving!!

    Did make me wonder if you could build a solid state one using well-timed pulses through an electromagnet that provide torque through the field interaction with the earth's magnetic field.

    Not much torque available there obviously, but on a per-revolution basis you don't need much.

  • bambax 11 hours ago
    Excellent!

    At around the end of the fidget spinner craze I thought "but what would it take to make it spin by its own?" And it turned out, not much. Just put one magnet at each of the three ends, and have some pulsating magnet near it (next to it, or under it hidden in some kind of base), and there! you have a basic electric motor that seems entirely magical.

    It was a really fun experiment; I even toyed with doing a small production run but by the time I was almost ready the craze had passed.

  • dmoy 9 hours ago
    Guinness book of world records lists a 7+ hour unassisted spin of a wooden top, and a mechanical-assist (like this one) of 41+ hours

    How long would a better battery go here?

    I'm curious what the jump from 2-> 40+ hours requires

    • rationalist 8 hours ago
      Vacuum chamber?
      • dmoy 5 hours ago
        No doesn't appear so. Seems to be just in open air. They've got a kickstarter done for one that does 6+ hours

        Guess it's cnc milled, maybe that's part of it. Increase mass of the thing? Idk

        • dmonitor 2 hours ago
          he is also using development boards wired together rather than a custom pcb. there's a good chance the choice of passive components, removal of unneeded components, and better optimized power converters can improve the design.
  • augusteo 14 hours ago
    I love projects like this. Taking something trivially simple and asking "but what if we really optimized it?"

    The material science discussion in these comments is fascinating. Never thought about how the contact point geometry matters so much. Diamond tip makes intuitive sense for hardness, but then you need something it can spin on without scratching...

  • tartoran 6 days ago
    This is fun, well done. Quite a performance to reach 2 hours on that little battery. Perhaps Euler disks are next?
  • gigaflop 16 hours ago
    My mind immediately went towards Battlebots when I saw electronics getting involved. I wonder what else would need to be done to make this steerable over RC? There may be a lower weight class where some nicely CNC'ed 'Phantasm Orbs' can score reasonable points.
    • everyday7732 15 hours ago
      This already exists- there's a class of robot called "meltybrains" which spin the whole robot using one or more wheel, detect the speed of spinning with a gyro and modulate the speed of the wheels at different points in its' rotation in order to create translational movement. Since they effectively put all the weight allowance into the "weapon" they can be very effective. The additional complexity means that they are hard to get working reliably in chaotic combat conditions. A team called "Project liftoff" had some serious success though.
      • gigaflop 15 hours ago
        I saw Project Liftoff in person, that little death-frisbee? Looked like they have two points of contact with the floor, which is probably just better design.

        And now that I think a bit further, I might just be imagining a more complicated version of one of those crabwalk spinny metal ones..

      • hamdingers 11 hours ago
        Meltybrains are still wheeled robots even if they use the wheels in a novel way.

        If you could develop a self-starting top capable of remote controlled translational movement you would get non-wheeled weight bonuses up to 2x in most competitions.

  • 1shooner 15 hours ago
    These would make great pomodoro timers.
  • Espressosaurus 15 hours ago
    Entertaining, but holy cow that music distracts from the content.
  • ReptileMan 13 hours ago
    I like it, but part of me thinks that spinning tops should be without IC and batteries. I don't mind some steampunk clockwork mechanisms though.
  • zzzeek 11 hours ago
    this guy is super great but wow do the juvenile sexist comments he makes (over and over again, tripling down on them) detract from the overall value of the video. Would female engineering students really appreciate all that? I think not
    • bdamm 11 hours ago
      As a male this turned me off too. I didn't like it, and it really distracted from the overall very cool thing.
  • huzaifah0x00 14 hours ago
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